Mike Ragogna (Huffington Post): What is your relationship like these days with religion?
Darren King (drummer for Mutemath): I'm very thankful for and proud of the song "In No Time," which is the last song on the record. I have to say that it, more than anything we've ever done, happens to be a good record of how we feel right now. I'm sure as a band, we're all in different places in ways, but there is this sense of retreat from pessimism. It's certainly a cop out to let somebody do all of your thinking and believing for you, but I've decided at this point in my life that it's also a cop out to just pretend like it's all stupid. You know, when you're a little kid and you lose a game so you just kick the game over and say, "This is stupid"? I can't do that either. Either of those is a cop out, so I'm frustrated right now. If you want me to define myself right now, I'd say that I'm a little bit of a frustrated Christian because I'm 29 now, and I feel like, in some ways, I'm still wrestling with the issues that I dealt with at fourteen. Then, in other ways, I feel like I've had too many important experiences and too many good things happen that certainly feel like more than just coincidence--it shouldn't all come my way to write it all off as coincidence or happenstance. So, there's still a lot of toiling going on. I'm frustrated with church because I loved church growing up, and now I'm maybe a little too cool for it, or I get frustrated with the music or the pop culture of it. That's kind of where I'm at, and I think there are probably a lot of people my age that can relate to that feeling. I was so inundated with Christianity from the time I was 2 til I was 17, and then, even beyond that, and so even though I might try sometimes to see it differently, I still see the world differently from a Christian perspective.